Following my dreams - a vision for a Modern HG Life

Hey everyone!

A serious question. I’m trying to somehow put together my HG life plan. And I wouldn’t be asking this question if not for one thing: legality, or lack of thereof to some extent. This is why I posted this in Circle, so that we can have a more private and concrete discussion on the topic.

Introduction

For those who don’t know, my idea is to design and build an airplane that would fly for $5/2persons/flight hour@120km/h and use it as a means of transport and a shelter (think van dwelling). I’d fly, for instance, to Canada where I could potentially live by hunting-gathering deep in the wild (think 100+km) for long periods of time (6-24 months) while still maintaining a connection to civilization for, let’s say, defense purposes (having means to cheat on the law to some degree without consequences, think entering Alaska without a visa).

As abstract as it sounds, today I passed my pilot license exam. The course set me back over $6k, so probably already a good chunk of wild land. My structural analysis skills are too, almost good enough for designing. I’m writing this to emphasize that I am VERY commited to the challenge and this whole thing is no joke.

Idealised Situation

So, let’s assume a very realistic scenario:

it is May of 2019 and I decide I am ready for my first HG life attempt. I take a friend with me and we fly all the way from Poland to Canada (60 hours). We intend to stay there for half a year and return home for Christmas. The fuel for round trip + 50 additional hours on-site costs us, worst-case, around $500 per person. So, we pass the Greenland/Canada border, fly around for a while, as this is our first visit, we do some sightseeing in national parks, etc, we visit a friend or two, Feralculture Node One :slight_smile: , buy our bowhunting/trapping/fishing licenses and finally head into the wilderness. Like, real wilderness: 100km from the nearest road.

Now, apart from the plane, civilization is pretty much gone. We still have some food with us, but we need to start hunting and gathering soon as it is running out quickly. Our weapons/tools are:

  • Traditional longbow

  • Slingshot

  • Fishing net, rods + equipment

  • whatever we can come up with: antlatl, primitive traps (lots of those) etc

We build ourselves a nice warm shelter, hopefully, out of natural materials and start living a paleo/primal human life. We hunt and gather, use skins and fur for clothing, collect firewood, etc. We have a good and/or bad time, generally an adventure. Some of the stuff we preserve (like fish and meat) and take back with us to Europe.

At this point, maybe not on the first trip, I want to turn it from an excursion/vacation type of thing into more of a sustainable tramp life kind of thing. I have no intention of buying land in the first years as I still have a lot to see in the world before I decide to settle down. I need to earn enough money from what I’m doing to keep the plane flying + other misc expenses (like sat internet). For that I can fly with people, who would pay me for it and/or sell some of the stuff I make/hunt/gather (or get a job if absolutely necessary). I also, optionally, run a blog and a YT channel for fun and additional income. I HG 100% of my food. I fly from place to place depending on the season, ie I go here to collect this as it ripens, then go there to hunt that, etc. I meet various people, make friends, and each year go back home for Christmas (and airplane maintenance). Seems like a lot of fun, BUT…

The Rubber Hits the Road

Well, here the problems start: To build a plane and get a flight permit is difficult in Europe, then I need that permit to work in Canada and/or Alaska as well. Add to this insurance, medical, license validity, etc. I also need a special license for night operation and water landing (both of which I will surely do). To carry people for money is illegal with a Private Pilot License and a self-built plane. I also need a permit (or at least a flight plan) to fly into Canada and I get recorded by the immigration office, which limits my legal stay to half a year at a time, not to mention US visas.

More problems: for bowhunting, I need an IBEP course, for which I probably need a compound bow (which again, with all the equipment is expensive). Then my hunting license imposes heavy restrictions on my subsistence activities. The season is 3-4 months. I need to eat all year round. Same goes for fishing and, especially, trapping. Trapping with primitive traps is illegal and these are the ones I wanna use. Of course, I also need to build a shelter for short term living and storage, which is again illegal. I need to cut down trees, make fires, etc. And, guess what, there are also aviation/hunting interaction laws which forbid me from hunting up to 48h after landing or so etc. Also, I can’t really legally sell the goods from hunting-gathering like meat, and furs.

The list goes on and on, no point in diving into more details.

Conclusion and Questions…

So, now the most important part: my question to you: Is this kind of thing even doable? Physically, I see no problems, but legally, it’s like the Great Wall of China. I have no doubts that it cannot be done without ever breaking the law. The trick is to do this legally ENOUGH (for instance, everyone earns on their PPL licenses, it’d be easy to stay in some countries illegaly, noone can really check if you’re flying legally at all if they’re not from FAA). So, for instance I payed for my PPL to stay generally legal, but I don’t intend to pay for night or water operation permits. Same thing when it comes to hunting. A big key point here is that I want to choose VERY remote locations for my stays. Places, where law is simply not enforcable as of 2017. Another important point is that it should be sustainable, ie. not forever powered by my dad’s money.

Any thoughts? Someone experienced in this kind of thing? What would you recommend? Is this even a valid concept of a plan? How legal should I stay? How legal do you stay?

Photo: Me flying over the Carpathians

Thanks,
Liras

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This is a extremely interesting and complicated plan.

Questions I have on just the plane part:

what is the difference in budget between building your own plane and buying one? Isn’t risky to fly an untested design? Would the potential increase in efficiency not compensate for the risks of an untested design?

Could you build a hybrid (as in dreamliner 787/Prius) plane? Solar hybrid?

So, a bit more info about the plane. I wish I could show you a beautiful 3D model, but there is still too little design data for an accurate representation and since technology does not allow you to read my thoughts yet, well… I’d say… you’ve never seen anything like this before, I guarantee. :slight_smile:

Starting with the quickest questions to answer: I really wanted an electric plane and researched the topic, but it is just not possible today. The cost and weight of batteries is too much. It would be able to fly for an hour at most and I could forget about short water take-offs. And even then, it would take way too long to recharge from sustainable energy to be feasable. One other way I will make this plane “hybrid” is through feathering propeller and good glide characteristics. In favorable weather I may be able to glide for free for 100s of km with my engine off.

The first problem with buying an airplane is that none suit my tramp hunter-gatherer needs. Most planes are built with very “tested” and old (and insanely expensive) technology adding unnecessary weight (analog instruments, old engines, unnecessary strength, certification-required features), not to mention that I weigh 60kg, and designing for 70kg. All commercial planes are designed for 90kg per person, which for a two seater may add as much as 80kg of additional take-off weight for no reason. And all planes are built for speed, which I sacrifice completely for fuel economy. Of course, none of them is suitable for actually living inside… And finally, cheapest kits start at $20k for the kit itself, not including tooling, etc. I estimate my cost to fall way below $10k from start to finish. Hah, and find me a plane that can operate both on water and ice/snow (most of the year is winter!) while not completely ditching cruise performance.

Summary of requirements for the plane (it’s actually a very long doc):

  • Low cost of flying <8$/hour in fuel (I can get it down to 5.5l/h @ 120km/h)

  • Simple, rugged construction that is able to withstand collisions with various “stuff” and also go without professional maintenance for a year. Must be repairable on site with bush materials.

  • Ability to perform short takeoffs and landings on water and ice/snow (frozen lakes). Good climb rate.

  • Range of at least 1000km for the Europe to Canada route.

  • Sustainable electricity source. No analog instruments, just normal tablets in the cocpit. Autopilot.

  • Must be usable as a shelter, collapsible seats for sleeping, some room for working on a laptop, heating, etc.

  • Baggage capacity of 40kg (20 per person)

  • Good glide characteristics to allow for the use of thermal and ridge lift for free flying.

  • Stall (minimum) speed of less than 45km/h in landing configuration.

  • Generally build with hunter-gatherers in mind (70kg per person average, not 90, easily repleacable components, liberal baggage space, low cost etc)

Now find me a plane like this on the market for $10k.

As far as risk is concerned, well… I have to work with Civil Aviation Authority and they must approve my designs so I take it as at least a partial guarantee that nothing bad will happen. And besides, what is safer: landing my plane at 40km/h or an always-broken Cessna at 120km/h? And, of course, I work very hard on my skills prior to doing any design work.

So, hopefully you can see now why I need a new, special design. I can send you the full requirements doc if you want. It’s a lot of work and some risk is involved, but the reward is just too awesome not to do this. Just think about it! Almost free flying all over the world, however deep into whatever wilderness you want, neverending source of income, ability to easily influence people and be in lots of places that you could never possibly visit otherwise… Quick, silent and elegant. True Freedom. With this kind of thing you can really bend the rules and fight back against civilization, can’t you? :slight_smile:

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You mentioned the Great Wall of China to analogize all the bureaucratic hurdles you’d have to go through…Have you read that scholars believe the Wall was designed to keep people inside Civilization, not out? (This is discussed in the recent book Against the Grain by James C. Scott).

You definitely have me on board, hopefully literally! I’ve been looking into nomadic travel myself, but haven’t ventured into flight. (I’ve been focusing on simpler stuff like creating a tear drop trailer/camper for my pre-existing truck.) As someone who wants to live in Alaska at Node One but still wants to travel elsewhere to do FC outreach and meet new people (see my post in the Ambassador thread), I’m for any idea that will help make that happen. With planes added to the many other traveling options (dog sleds, bikes, sailboats/motor boats/canoes, vans/teardrop trailers, horses, hitchhiking, regular ol’ walking, etc) I think Feralculture would spread a lot faster and become more visible and viable.

As a potential passenger in the amazing plane, and as much as I love the concept, I do like that someone has to approve your designs actually. While horribly bureaucratic, and potentially very limiting, I do still believe in expertise so getting a second and third opinion on something so complicated seems a good idea. That sets my mind at ease as far as viability.

One idea to make money right away is you could license your design. I am an open source type person, but that is one option.

You could also open source your project and get engineering students worldwide to simulate and test your design in computer models (assuming there is such a thing). And then the students/professors could give you free feedback to improve your design. Just some ideas.

Keep going! This whole project sounds amazing.

Feral Air Flight FC001 boarding now. Destination: Node 1 - Alaska ETA: 75h (14 days) :slight_smile:

It’s not as far away as many people think. I have made a very smart move and started studying forestry in Cracow. In addition to some useful knowledge (know your enemy! xd), having such a degree grants me quite a bit of potential “power” in Poland and other countries too. I can also buy agricultural land which is dirt cheap. Next week we’re driving to one of the wildest parts (relatively) of Poland to inspect a lot my dad will hopefully buy me for my personal airfield, place to live and hunt, maybe run some tourist business and… of course host the Feralculture Node 2!

Yes, I plan to sell kits if people were be interested, but then I have to redesign for civilised use (90kg!) so I potentially lose lots the advantages of the design. I am a member of Experimental Aircraft Assosiacion (american) and I sincerely hope they will help me when I jump to actual designing. Also I know some rc modellers who’d help me and my aeroclub’s CEO knows a guy who’s job is inspecting homebuilt planes, so, I will say that again, this is not some uimaginable future. This will happen soon, especially now that school is over and I have lots of time, since I can live in Szczyrk (the mountains) and only work for my dad’s business (programming, website, promo, etc).

And yes again, I think in this project, this might be that one time when authorities actually help me. There is no way an experienced inspector will allow this plane to fly if something is very wrong.

Opensourcing, idk… people won’t understand what this is all about… especially engineering students and professors… but I will definitely be looking for some help, maybe even paid, especially to do final checks.

Coming back to my original questions… what do you think about my tramping/nomadic living idea besides the plane? Like, the legality of hunting-gathering in different NA countries and regions, this remote locations idea, etc. Do you have some experience living this way?

I have done my share of tramping in Canada and in the states. I can’t comment too much on the stuff I may or may not have done, especially online.

Typically out of state/non resident hunting licenses are much more, of course. I’ve never had a hunting license.

I do know that Lynx Vilden and the living wild folks got banned from national forests for a year due to poaching. Now before the class begins I believe people have to pack wild meat/get proper licenses. I know three people who mutinied from her classes due to starvation.

When I lived in the woods near Bow, WA we went out religiously and gathered all the clams, crabs, and seaweed we could eat. All legally. We may have picked up a lot of roadkill too, which is now legal in Oregon and Montana I believe.

I think if you planned trips around certain abundant harvests, with proper licenses, it would work. In the Pacific Northwest, which I’m most familiar with, you would starve in late winter/early spring. Yet you could work up the cascadia bioregion into Canada and then into Alaska harvesting wild food late summer into late fall: salmon, berries, seaweed, moose, elk, deer, clams, crabs, etc.

The key for me is not just jumping into a foreign place but making local allies who have less red tape to work through as far as hunting and gathering licensure. They would do the hunting and I would do the butchering/tanning/preserving and then demand share some of the food.

If somehow I could get dual Canadian/American citizenship that of course would be ideal…Any Canadians want to get married? :slight_smile:

Edit: you have to wait four years, while spending more than 50 percent of the time in Canada, to apply for dual citizenship. Oh Canada, what’s this process you talking about, eh?

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I think this is a great idea. If I wasn’t scared of flying and you looked like Cristina Scabbia, you’d have a partner…

I think an electric hybrid is totally possible and may get you into ultralight status, which is much easier red tape wise. If the camping enclosure used tarps and the plane as a frame instead of being a solid cabin, I don’t see a problem meeting weight goals.

For propulsion, you could use a motor from koby, have it split wound into three separate three phase winding sets, and run it on 3 parallel castle hv160 esc’s. If you get the glide characteristics right and fly like a hot air balloon pilot, when the weather’s in your favor, you could probably get 150km out of a 30ah eig pouch cell 50v pack. It would take a week to recharge with thin film solar on the wing surfaces but you could pack a little honda like 2kw generator and charge them in a few hours, with a relatively tiny amount of gas, or even wildcrafted alcohol in a pinch.

Just throwing some ideas out there. I should have plenty of space and tools if you want to come to AZ and collaborate on the build. I’m working on a 1500mm x 800mm x 400 cnc router/mill/plasma table and should have it done in a month or so. One of my best friends is an ME and just graduated from Embry Riddle so I’m sure he’d be down to help if we hit engineering snags. You could camp on nearby blm/forest land and learn some AZ bushcraft in the process.

I’m still working on the land/water version of what you’re doing but progress will increase exponentially once I get the cnc running. I also have a few inventions to get out there in hopes of making enough to buy land for a few nodes here in AZ and maybe in Baja MX. I also have an idea for building a network of geocached emergency supply boxes and setting up a membership based network to get access to their coordinates. It will take some arduino radio magic to prevent abuse but each cache won’t cost more than $50 to set up.

Anyway, I’m always down to help other rewilding builder nerd types if I can.

Here’s a great place to read about the most current diy e-drive stuff if you haven’t found it already:
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=38&sid=31287f9c4b7f6f2bcd18eb0028b3c5d1

Interesting thread. I very briefly saw the FB thread during my internet exile.

Isn’t there a recently developed kit version of a Cub that fits most, if not all, of these requirements? After @Liras mentioned planes another time, I did some research on this, but I don’t remember the exact company now.

Got a simple conceptual model sketched up in SOLIDWORKS. The dimensions are pretty rough and it’s quite ugly compared to what my imagination is telling me due to my well… not very good SOLIDWORKS skills. But the configuration is there.

Cost of Flying: 5.5 litres of auto fuel per hour (120km straight line) → around $6 split between two persons. Cost of Building: $6 to $10 thousands.

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I have no idea how one would even begin to build that. Looks like an interesting project though.

That’s beautiful! It looks super efficient.

Did you model the aero in FEA?

Can’t wait to see what you use for powerplant.

I do everything in hand/excell calcs right now. Later on I will use CFD (Computational Fluid Dynamics) to optimize the shape of various components. Once the OML (Outside Mold Layer) is optimized I will “freeze” it and proceed to the structural design. Again, I’ll do hand calcs first to get an idea of the layout and some basic beam dimensions and then verify with FEA.

I’m looking for some bushcraft related job in Scandinavia to start earning some decent money… Once I have some $5k I can easily have a go at building. I have $200 right now :slight_smile: excluding my parent’s help, of course.

As for the powerplant, it’s no secret: http://freedom-motors.com/freedom_530cc.html (Adequate name for the company, xd). Look at SFC (Specific Fuel Consuption), multitply by 20hp for cruise and you get 5.8 l/h. :slight_smile: They just don’t want to sell it to me right now. 2018 they said and only for OEM manufacturers… but I’ll get it somehow.

I fixed a huge 5 axis cnc for a friend and he offered me a workstation with full versions of solidworks and mastercam. They look so awesome but I decided to learn to do the same things with free software instead. It’s a looong learning curve! After all of the years learning autocad, dolphin, etc, I can’t access them now because I can’t afford the licensing and don’t want to deal with glitchy, hacked programs. I sure can’t wait until the open source world catches up though.

Your shape looks like it would create lift at low speeds without creating too much drag. I can imagine it doing some transformer stuff to capture sun and make shelter too.